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#pakistan , Cservice and US!
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We stand today at a strange juncture. I don't know where to begin, but I know I begin with a heavy heart.
Beyond ownership, beyond access and beyond being voiced by an automated process, what we face is a travesty unintended. We might be in the process of losing #pakistan, which is sad. We might lose it to people who have no idea what its heart and soul, which is tragic.
We came together in 1996 when undernet was budding and with it we formed deeper friendships and stronger bonds. Through the last 15 years Team Pakistan has served its undernet users with pride and made online experience of many, worth returning to.

I have been joining IRC from 1999 , I didn’t know back then , how or which IRC network to join , but fortunately MIRC made me connect to undernet , and I have been on UNDERNET ever since. I have seen undernet growing and when it was on peak and I am still here on undernet. Anyways , after joining IRC i wondered around a bit and fortunately came across #Pakistan and have been on this channel ever since. Mostly after chatting , I used to hang out on HELP channels , and after I got bored a lot , I also accepted an Operator position in #Pakistan. Ever since I remember coming to IRC , #pakistan has been the best channel ever , take it the way it handles people or the way they ran the channel , everything has been just perfect. It is going to be a bit long , so I request you to bear with me in order to get the full glance of what is going on.

Ever since the beginning of #Pakistan in 1996, it has been witness to many events. Some good, some bad. Collectively in fifteen years, you can imagine it has surely been through a whole lot. The beginnings of the channel begin with the migration of a few users from EFNET to Undernet, namely Malik, X2, Salx, Sharabi, Wasim, saad, and Nazir in the beginning of '96.Nazir started the administration concept which to date has worked out rather well. The first administrators were Eazy, EZ, chill, saad, ReevOS, Dost, Kami, X2, cossie, Wasim, Malik and tkx. Admins came and left , so did the various managers. Nazir left and gave the channel to Halai (hulleye) and Malik , they decided to keep Halai (Hulleye ) on 500 and Malik was there as 499 access level. In 2009 , Halai(Hulleye) decided to finally quit IRC and gave the channel to Malik , who was the channel manager until now.

They say , the more famous you get , the more problems there are for you. It was the same for #pakistan. There have been a lot of attempts to do bad to the channel. Hackers / flooders and what not. But #Pakistan has been firm and after all those ups and downs , #pakistan still stood , until one day , when Cservice decided to give the channel to a Lamer , who has been trying to get hands on this channel from many many years , and had many False attempts on it before. But this time , his dreams come true.

Few months ago , after a long time. This lamer who is known as PakAsia became very active again and he was threatening to do something big this time. After few days , we came to know that the manager Malik's has been suspended by cservice. Upon knowing the cause , we found out that someone tried to change the settings of the Malik's username. As during previous attempts on the channel as well as the managers username. the Username was on LOCK DOWN by the previous Cservice admin zappster. Whoever would would try to change the settings will get automatically suspended. The Lamer did not know of this , and hence the username got suspended. Anyhow Gunnis poped in to channel and then Malik got access to his email again and everything was restored. the Lamer did not stop on this. Once again the Lamer who was impersonating as Malik , hacked into the Malik's email and this time he posted a Manual Manager change request , which was turned down , because he could not give the verification answer to the question. Below is the communication on it:
Code:
Hello.

Base on the comments on username you need to verify with your verification answer for Email Change.


Caitlen
Channel Service Sr. Administrator ,
X@ Reviewer, cservice-abuse@ Helper
Email: Caitlen@undernet.org

*** PLEASE KEEP THIS EMAIL AS PROOF***

*While emailing back, please do not remove any parts from this email*
*The content of the email is confidential so therefore not to be
disclosed to anyone*

On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 5:42 PM, malik <mkhanamalik@verizon.net> wrote:

    Undernet Channel Service
                                      Email Change Form
                                 -----------------------------

    - PLEASE READ THESE INSTRUCTIONS!
    - Please fill out the form completely, or your request will not be
    processed.
    - Use this form ONLY when you cannot login on website with your
    username or you cannot use your username's old e-mail address anymore
    - If your old e-mail still works we will not take into consideration
    this request.

    PASSWORD RESET REQUEST
    - If you need to have your password reset, please attempt to have it
    done
     via the web page. http://cservice.undernet.org/live -> Forgotten
    Password.
     Use this form ONLY when you cannot login on website with your
    username or you cannot use your username's old e-mail address anymore
     After you will have a new e-mail address on the username, you will be
    able to recover the password from
     the website like we told you before.

    E-MAIL CHANGE REQUEST
    - If you need to change your email we have on record for your username
    login with your username at http://cservice.undernet.org/live and
     click on Forms / Email Change Section .
     Use this form ONLY when you cannot login on website with your username
    or you cannot use your username's old e-mail address anymore
     Also PLEASE DO NOT use free e-mail domains for the new e-mail address
    of the username.

    VERIFICATION/QUESTION ANSWER REQUEST:
    - If you need to reset your verification answer/question use the
    Forgotten Password section of http://cservice.undernet.org/live .
     Type the username there and make a mistake in your secret answer. You
    will be redirected to the Verification Question/Answer Reset Form.
     Fill that form and submit it. If your old email cannot be used anymore
    use the Email Change Form from here to change it.
     Then, after the change is done, obtain a verification question/answer
    reset from website.
     In case you can't remember the answer to the secret question, you can
    still use this form, by leaving the answer to the secret question
    blank, and by explaining into the Comments section the reason why you can't
    remember the right answer. Please note that there is a special way of
    solving this type of requests, and they're not solved in your favour
    every time.

    - COPY AND PASTE THIS ENTIRE FORM into an e-mail (new e-mail address of
    the username) and send it to:
           X@undernet.org

    - Allow 3-5 days for this change to be completed.

                     -------------------------------

    Please supply the following information:

    a. Username (not Nickname): Malik

    b. Old Email Address: mkhanamalik@verizon.net

    c. New Email Address: jambro@cyber.net.pk

    d. - Verification Question answer: Question is : What's your dog's (or cat's) name ? .. But i dont know the answer i think its enough to prove you that i am sending you email from my username's email.

        (This is the answer to one of the questions below that you
    selected when
         you registered the username)

      - Please indicate which question you previously selected to answer.
         a) What's your mother's maiden name?
         b) What's your dog's (or cat's) name? <<<<<-----
         c) What's your father's birthdate?


    e. Channels you have access on with the username: #pakistan #pakadmins

    Comments (if any): My email is not secure that's why i want to change my username's email kindly change my username email.

    ------------------------------
    E-mail Change Form
    Undernet Channel Service
    CService@undernet.org

    *-------------------------------------------------------------------------*
     This document was last updated on May, 28 2005 - by Etherfast
     This file is maintained by Undernet CService Committee
     E-mail cservice@undernet.org with any suggestions or comments
     CService URL: http://cservice.undernet.org
     Undernet URL: http://www.undernet.org

Even after this was failed , Malik contacted Empus , and a change of the email address was done by Empus . All this time the Lamer was trying to prove himself as Malik. At this point , IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THIS GUY was USING AN IP FROM PAKISTAN , while THE REAL MALIK USES AN IP FROM USA. THESE IP ADDRESSES ( Which i have provided later on ) Were used by this LAMER trying to Prove himself as Malik , and i am 100 percent sure , the FAKE HULLEYE who Cservice has given the channel to uses the same ip block 116.71.*and 119.155.* .
Below are the logs of the lamer on #cservice :
Quote:[03:29] * Malik`` (<!-- e --><a href="mailto:gone@119.155.6.178">gone@119.155.6.178</a><!-- e -->) has joined #cservice
[03:30] <Malik``> Gunnis you're just acting bobskc
[03:30] <@Rufus> Malik`` need anything ?
[03:30] <Malik``> I will complain DinTn
[03:30] <Malik``> you give my channel to the person who hacked my channel
[03:30] <Malik``> you just modify my verification answer
[03:31] <Malik``> just using your access wrong
[03:31] * DEATHWISH (<!-- e --><a href="mailto:~Tapu@94.197.43.227.threembb.co.uk">~Tapu@94.197.43.227.threembb.co.uk</a><!-- e -->) has left #cservice
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[03:31] Malik`` is <!-- e --><a href="mailto:gone@119.155.6.178">gone@119.155.6.178</a><!-- e --> * #pakistan@undernet
[03:31] Malik`` on #cservice
[03:31] Malik`` using *.undernet.org The Undernet Underworld
[03:31] Malik`` End of /WHOIS list.
-
[03:31] <Malik``> Rufus this fellow gave my channel to wrong person
[03:31] <@Rufus> Malik`` stop this please. If you wish to file a complain, use <!-- e --><a href="mailto:cservice-abuse@undernet.org">cservice-abuse@undernet.org</a><!-- e -->
[03:32] <Malik``> Rufus unfortunately <!-- e --><a href="mailto:cservice-abuse@undernet.org">cservice-abuse@undernet.org</a><!-- e --> is under Gunnis
[03:32] <Malik``> you can say its in wrong hands
[03:32] <@Rufus> Malik`` we can't help you.
[03:32] <Malik``> Rufus yeah you're not able to help

After fail attempts of of getting Manager of #pakistan , we thought that it was almost over. Then there was another bomb , Malik was removed from #pakistan , and the channel had been transferred to a username Hulleye. this change was initiated by Cservice-Cordinator Hodari himself. We did not expect this. The ex-manager had the same username Hulleye. This seemed so impossible because the real ex-manager had QUIT IRC and the channel had been transferred to Malik. This change was initiated by a Cservice admin of that time Zappster. Hulleye who was the manager of #Pakistan that time got compromised. Zapp was Cservice Admin that time who was handling #pakistan issue's. He was fixing the matter and in the same time Hulleye requested that Malik who was on 499 X-access level be given a 500 Temp-Manager which was initiated by Zapp. After a while Hulleye received an email from zmokey <zmokey@undernet.org> saying that he has noticed two manager's on channel #pakistan with a note that the change was temporary. As it was 35 days ago and the change was manual , we need to ask you how long the temp-manager is needed because we have to suspended the Hulleye until the Temp-Manager is active.The Ex-Manager replied zmokey's email with a CC to Zapp saying that Zapp is aware of the circumstances during which the change was made. If a final decision is being needed , then they should keep Malik at 500 and send him back to 499. Please find the Log of that email below:
Quote: ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Abbas Hassan Halai <abbas@abbashalai.com>
Date: Thu, May 28, 2009 at 15:05
Subject: Re: Regarding tempman on #pakistan
To: zmokey <zmokey@undernet.org>
Cc: <!-- e --><a href="mailto:zapp@undernet.org">zapp@undernet.org</a><!-- e -->


Hi zmokey,

Zapp was the one who made this change and is aware of the circumstances under which this change was made. I have CC'd him above. If you need to finalize that change, then please go ahead and keep malik as the 500 level, and change mine to a 499.

Zapp can make clear why this change was made and what the reason for it was.

Thanks for asking about it and bringing it up with me first. I appreciate it.

- Abbas Halai


On Thu, 28 May 2009 03:54:31 -0400, zmokey <zmokey@undernet.org> wrote:

Hello,
I have noticed that your channel #pakistan has two 500 and a note that
the change is temporary.
The change was made 35 days ago and was made manually. During temp
manager the access of the regular manager should have been suspended.
How long do you still need the temp manager? We will have to suspend
your access while temp manager is set.

zmokey
#cservice undernet administrator

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During all this process Malik who is thought to have secured the Manager's 500 by false means , never contacted any of the Cservice representative or any other person who was responsible or had the authority of transferring the channel. It was done by the request of Hulleye himself. And after the manager change He sent an email to him congratulating on becoming the manager and After the change he never wiped the Access list of X on #Pakistan. Halai left after this and the channel was being run by Malik up til now.
Quote:On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 01:16:14 -0400, Abbas Halai <abbas@abbashalai.com> wrote:

hey malik,

please see log file with zapp. congrats on being new manager <!-- sSmile --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt="Smile" title="Smile" /><!-- sSmile -->

- abbas

Anyhow , after this change , Malik sent email to cservice-abuse@ , as he was told to do so. here is the copy of his email to cservice-abuse@ :

Code:
Dear Admins,

I hope you find this email in best of your health.

My username is Malik and I was 500 at #Pakistan till this morning. Later on when i joined back, my access was removed and
this fake person who was using an ex-manager's username "Hulleye" was added as 500. He is the same person I have been

complaining about and recently I have sent his details to cservice admin as well. He is the same person who was trying to be me and
even tried to pretend to be a cservice admins. He was after my username for a long time and recently he had tricked my ISP provider
to reset the password of the email account i was using for my username.

I had sent an email to cservice-abuse@undernet.org and requested to change my new email id for the username and this

change was made few weeks back. When his tricks didn't work on my username then he planned a new trick. He used an ex-manager

username "Hulleye", i'm sure it was registered recently as the actual hulleye left irc back in 2008.

I'm one of the beginners of this channel. The origional manager "Nazir" had made "tkx" at 499 that time as an acting manager to

manage the channel and the website. Tkx was the acting channel manager for #Pakistan between August 2001 and June 2002. Then

"tkx" had decided to leave the channel to me and hulleye as his personal work had caught up with him and he couldn't dedicate

as much time as the channel deserved from him. He had promoted me and "hulleye" on 498 and asked us to manage the channel.

Later I and hulleye had requested "Nazir" to transfer the channel to us, hulleye 500 and I (Malik) at 499. I took the responsibilty of the channel

bots and hulleye took the responsibilty of the website. This can be verified at our website by checking our posts/ips in the

admins/operator sections.

Back in 2008, hulleye username was compromised and we had requested cservice to lock our usernames. This was dealth by an ex

cservice admin zapp and it can be verified as well. Then hulleye had transferred the channel to me because he was planning to leave irc

and moving back to the old country. Since then i was managing the channel and this person was keep trying to steal

usernames/channel. I'm still contact with the actual hulleye (hulleye's irc nick was "halai" and actual name "abbas halai". It can be verified with him, I can call him online or however you like to verify.

Also we can provide access of our current website www.undernetpakistan.com" and you can verify posts/stamps. Our previous website's (www.undernetpakistan.org) hosting is still on the real hulleye's name and still active. I kindly request if someone ask this new fake hulleye if he knew the billing details of www.undernetpakistan.org or even know the username/password of the members area or even provide the billing amounts/dates/ hulleye's billing address etc.

Here is the email from the Previous REAL ex-manager to <!-- e --><a href="mailto:cservice-abuse@undernet.org">cservice-abuse@undernet.org</a><!-- e --> as well as to <!-- e --><a href="mailto:hodari@undernet.org">hodari@undernet.org</a><!-- e -->
Code:
On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 5:27 AM, Abbas Halai <abbas@abbashalai.com> wrote:
Dear Admins

I am writing to you regarding an issue we are having at #pakistan. As you may already know, my friend and now removed admin of #pakistan, has contacted you with an email regarding some abuse of the powers going on at #pakistan.

This is a high profile channel which is frequented by about 100 odd users on a daily basis.

I was the old owner of the username 'halai', which after a compromise I changed to 'hulleye' and zmokey suspended the original username 'halai', an obvious pun on my surname as you can probably tell from my name and email address domain. Last year I stopped frequenting IRC and it seems the username may have expired. It's been brought to my knowledge that the username was registered to someone else who has then sneakily contacted cservice and had the management for #pakistan transferred over to him.

I have always used either of these two usernames and they were registered with my current email address, which may or may not be in your records. I can show you old logs and emails to prove such.

In the past the email address' used have been hulleye@abbashalai.com, hulleye@undernetpakistan.net, and I have emails from OraTors, zmokey and zappster confirming such changes over the past five years. I have happily paid for and managed undernetpakistan.org and undernetpakistan.net domain for the past seven or eight odd years or so, even while I wasn't frequenting the channel. I am telling you all this so you believe me when I say that the current person who has is running #pakistan with the username 'hulleye' will not be able to tell you anything about this.

I started frequenting #pakistan around 1996 and have been involved with it's capacity ever since. And shortly after was the manager of the channel with 500 level access. The top three admins were always tkx, Malik and myself. When I stopped frequenting the channel, I handed over the reigns to Malik and he has ever since run the place.

This was back in 2009 as you can see from the quoted email below.

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-----------------------------------------------------------------
From: Abbas Hassan Halai <abbas@abbashalai.com>
Date: Thu, May 28, 2009 at 15:05
Subject: Re: Regarding tempman on #pakistan
To: zmokey <zmokey@undernet.org>
Cc: zapp@undernet.org


Hi zmokey,

Zapp was the one who made this change and is aware of the circumstances under which this change was made. I have CC'd him above. If you need to finalize that change, then please go ahead and keep malik as the 500 level, and change mine to a 499.

Zapp can make clear why this change was made and what the reason for it was.

Thanks for asking about it and bringing it up with me first. I appreciate it.

- Abbas Halai


On Thu, 28 May 2009 03:54:31 -0400, zmokey <zmokey@undernet.org> wrote:

Hello,
I have noticed that your channel #pakistan has two 500 and a note that
the change is temporary.
The change was made 35 days ago and was made manually. During temp
manager the access of the regular manager should have been suspended.
How long do you still need the temp manager? We will have to suspend
your access while temp manager is set.

zmokey
#cservice undernet administrator

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---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Sincerely,

Regards

For the past two or three years, this fellow (whom we know as PakAsia) has harrased our channels frequenters, tried every trick in the book to compromise our usernames, and use whatever means necessary to make life difficult for the channel by compromising email address' using ip-spoofing, similar nicknames and what not. It seems he has sweet talked his way into taking over the channel from Malik using my old username this time round.

I am reaching out to cservice because I respect IRC and Undernet. Even though I do not frequent the channel as much as I'd like, I have made many friends there whom I've known for many years and are very close to me even today IRL as I'm sure you have on the respective channels that you've been over the years. Malik has worked hard to have a family friendly channel about and for #pakistan and we have spent a lot of time getting to know each other. He does not deserve his 500 ranking be removed from him due to a "technical" glitch, or the fact that I let my username expire.

I hope you will do the right thing here and help him get his channel back.

If you need me to show you any old logs or old emails and verify anything, please do not hesitate to get in touch.

I appreciate your time in looking into this matter.


Thank you sincerely,

Abbas Halai

--
Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

Here are my emails to hodari regarding the issue:
Email 1( we did not really know what is going on with the channel , information was that Malik was not even on the channel list when he was given the channel back in 2009) January 30 :
Code:
Nick: Ahmiq
Username: razmian12


Greetings,

I am writing about an issue of the channel manager of #Pakistan. I was an operator of the channel for about two years now and have been joining it from many years before that. Today when i joined Undernet , i found out that the channel manager of #Pakistan has been changed, the access list has been wiped and given to some unknown guy. I was very surprised.
From last 2 months or so there have been constant hacking attempts on the username of the Manager Malik. This person has been trying hard from years to get access to the get the channel like this.
Lamer got hold of the manager's email and by Webchat option of the Verizon he reset the password of the Malik's username. After that when he logged into the cservice website and wanted to change the password , The username got suspended ( There was a flag of auto suspension of someone tried to change settings of the username - this was put on by Cservice due to previous hacking attempts ). After this the manager got access to his email again and an ADMIN from cservice Gunnis  helped to remove the suspension from the username and again put on the security measures. After a failure the lamer joined and was claiming he was Malik and his channel was given to fake Malik. Please find below the logs from that day #cservice .
Session Time: Tue Dec 20 00:00:00 2011
[03:29] * Malik`` (gone@119.155.6.178) has joined #cservice
[03:30] <Malik``> Gunnis you're just acting bobskc
[03:30] <@Rufus> Malik`` need anything ?
[03:30] <Malik``> I will complain DinTn
[03:30] <Malik``> you give my channel to the person who hacked my channel
[03:30] <Malik``> you just modify my verification answer
[03:31] <Malik``> just using your access wrong
[03:31] * DEATHWISH (~Tapu@94.197.43.227.threembb.co.uk) has left #cservice
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[03:31] Malik`` is gone@119.155.6.178 * #pakistan@undernet
[03:31] Malik`` on #cservice
[03:31] Malik`` using *.undernet.org The Undernet Underworld
[03:31] Malik`` End of /WHOIS list.
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[03:31] <Malik``> Rufus this fellow gave my channel to wrong person
[03:31] <@Rufus> Malik`` stop this please. If you wish to file a complain, use cservice-abuse@undernet.org
[03:32] <Malik``> Rufus unfortunately cservice-abuse@undernet.org is under Gunnis
[03:32] <Malik``> you can say its in wrong hands
[03:32] <@Rufus> Malik`` we can't help you.
-
[03:32] Gunnis is ~gunnis@Gunnis.users.undernet.org * yea yea yea. its me.
[03:32] Gunnis on +#pakadmins #cservice
[03:32] Gunnis using *.undernet.org The Undernet Underworld
[03:32] Gunnis is logged in as Gunnis
[03:32] Gunnis has been idle 12mins 57secs, signed on Mon Dec 19 21:49:01
[03:32] Gunnis End of /WHOIS list.
-
[03:32] <Malik``> Rufus yeah you're not able to help
[03:43] <Ahmiq> Night Night Everyone!.


After this failed attempt , the impersonator came to know that he cant change anything from the cservice website as the username automatically gets suspended. He again hacked into the Malik's ( Original Manager ) email address and this time sent an Manual Manager change request to the Cservice. It was denied because he could not give the verification question/answer as it was changed a while ago. This time we decided to move the username to our website www.undernetpakistan.com and put two step verification method on it to make it more safe. Empus helped Manager to change the email and everything was in order again.
The second method also turned to be a failure , so this time the impersonator decided to show himself as a former Manager before Malik  and claimed that Malik got this channel by illegal means and he is the rightful owner. He also said that when Malik got the channel , Malik was not even on the access list which was completely wrong. Malik has been one of the founder of #pakistan channel. The channel was registered by a guy named Nazir , then it was transferred to to Halai  and after Halai Quit IRC (he moved from canada to pakistan ) he gave the manager ship to Malik in 2008 who was on 499 access level that time.Till then Malik was looking over the expenses of the bots and Halai was looking after the expenses of the Website. Halai had quit IRC after that. The current impersonator has got back the same username as him and claiming to be Halai( Username = Hulleye ). Which is not correct.
Now the channel has been reverted back to the Guy with username Hulleye using nick Goraff. Where as Halai ( username= Hulleye ) already left IRC back in 2008.

I kindly request that these points below should be considered too.
The official website of #pakistan is www.undernetpakistan.com and the Forum address is http://www.undernetpakistan.com/forum/ . The website and the forums were launched back in the end of 2004.  Below are the board phpbb statistics:
Board statistics
STATISTIC     VALUE     STATISTIC     VALUE
Number of posts:    13212     Posts per day:    5.05
Number of topics:    1468     Topics per day:    0.56
Number of users:    816    Users per day:    0.31
Number of attachments:    668    Attachments per day:    0.26
Board started:    Fri Dec 03, 2004 12:04 pm    Avatar directory size:    978.54 KiB


Upon looking at the memberlist ( http://www.undernetpakistan.com/forum/memberlist.php , username: testing & password: testing  ) , Malik is the second person to register on the website after its launch. While Halai who is being impersonated is 80'th person to register on the website. Malik has a total posts of 938 , which makes him the second highest poster on the forum after its launch till now. Malik was already an administrator of the channel even back in 2005 and when he was given the channel in 2008 he was on 499 access. Thus the claim of the current impersonator is wrong that Malik was not even on the X access list when he became the manager of #Pakistan. Profile of Malik on forums: http://www.undernetpakistan.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=3  
If the impersonator ( username Hulleye using nick Goraff ) is telling who he is he should be able to tell his IP's from which he posted in the forums with his id: Halai: http://www.undernetpakistan.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=81 , phpbb keeps a log of ip's from which the user posts.
If the channel was falsely taken from him , why would his id Halai will still be there on the forums as well  on the forums , should not be banned? Get rid of him?
The impersonator knows that i have access to the website/forums , after he was given the channel. He added me back to the access list to get access to the forums/website. When i denied it , he again removed me from the access list. The log of it is attached to this email with name impersonate.txt
The real manager Malik must have logs of the channel ranging back many years.
The question arises that after 2008 till 2012 the channel was running smoothly. How come the the impersonator claims after so many years? and that also After 2 hacking attempts on the managers username which were failed. This was not his first time braging in Cservice that its his channel.
The same guy was previously trying to prove himself as Malik and after  failing he tried to act as the previous owner.
Different Nick/Ip's used by the Impersonator:


[16:29] nighte is Seks@119.155.19.116 * online
[16:29] nighte on #cservice
[16:29] nighte using *.undernet.org The Undernet Underworld
[16:29] nighte End of /WHOIS list.

[03:31] Malik`` is gone@119.155.6.178 * #pakistan@undernet
[03:31] Malik`` on #cservice
[03:31] Malik`` using *.undernet.org The Undernet Underworld
[03:31] Malik`` End of /WHOIS list.

Goraff is nomail@Hulleye.users.undernet.org * 00/00/01
Goraff on @#pakistan
Goraff using *.undernet.org The Undernet Underworld
Goraff is away: Sleeping!!!!
Goraff is logged in as Hulleye
Goraff End of /WHOIS list.

Goraff!nomail@119.155.28.248
Maliks is ~unet@119.155.15.140 * post
Maliks (gone@116.71.41.72)
resque (Seks@116.71.46.124)
zappster was ~pearll@119.155.20.72 * abc
deception is x@119.155.0.156 * xPsycho
deception- (fatt@octopus.users.undernet.org)
zappster is ~cjs@116.71.56.124 * Jack Sparrow
deception- was ~redb@116.71.56.124 * Jack Sparrow


My request is that all these facts should also be taken into account and also if possible the the administrator and the operators which were there before the manager change should be given a say in this. I am personally taking interest in this matter is that this is a Channel with a country name and it should be given to a person who deserves to run it.


Sincere Regards,
Ahmiq
Email 2( some idea , it was about the changeover of manager in 2009) Dated : January 31-1-2012:
Code:
Nick: Ahmiq
X Username: razmian12

Greetings ,
I want to send some follow up information about the #pakistan Manager issue. We have contacted the Ex-Manager Hulleye ( Real One ) before Malik. From what i understand here is the summary of what happened back then.
Hulleye who was the manager of #Pakistan that time got compromised. Zapp was Cservice Admin that time who was handling #pakistan issue's. He was fixing the matter and in the same time Hulleye requested that Malik who was on 499 X-access level be given a 500 Temp-Manager which was initiated by Zapp. After a while Hulleye received an email from zmokey <zmokey@undernet.org> saying that he has noticed two manager's on channel #pakistan with a note that the change was temporary. As it was 35 days ago and the change was manual , we need to ask you how long the temp-manager is needed because we have to suspended the Hulleye until the Temp-Manager is active.The Ex-Manager replied zmokey's email with a CC to Zapp saying that Zapp is aware of the circumstances during which the change was made. If a final decision is being needed , then they should keep Malik at 500 and send him back to 499. (  Please find the Zmokey's Email and the reply in Zmokey.txt in the attachment ).
During all this process Malik who is thought to have secured the Manager's 500 by false means , never contacted any of the Cservice representative or any other person who was responsible or had the authority of transferring the channel. It was done by the request of Hulleye himself. And after the manager change He sent an email to him congratulating on becoming the manager and After the change he never wiped the Access list of X on #Pakistan. Halai left after this and the channel was being run by Malik up til now.
On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 01:16:14 -0400, Abbas Halai <abbas@abbashalai.com> wrote:

hey malik,

please see log file with zapp. congrats on being new manager :)

- abbas
After the Ex-Manager left and the channel was transfered to Malik , We dont know what happend to his username. Infact we never ever gave a thought that someone might get access to his username and frankly neither the manager nor the #Pakistan operator team was responsible for the safety etc of the ex-manager's username because he had left IRC and told that he wont be coming here anymore.
To summarize all this , what i am trying to say that this guy who is having the current Hulleye username is not the original owner of this username. Even though had got access to this username now and What he is saying is totally wrong. Every manager-change on #pakistan since its creation was made with mutual consent of the admins of the channel and there has been no issue/dispute on that. This lamer has been around for many years and know what was happening around and has planned all this. There has been a same problem with another channel #karachi and this Lamer has been involved there too. The same guy has been trying to prove himself as Malik before this attempt and after failing with that he again tried to come up with the old manager's username. ( IP's : 116.71.*and 119.155.* ranges ) some of his nicks and the username : octopus which he had used earlier which i also included in my previous email will prove this. And i am sure , this fake Hulleye will be using/has used an IP of these two ranges.


Sincere Regards
Ahmiq

Email 3 TO <!-- e --><a href="mailto:Empus@undernet.org">Empus@undernet.org</a><!-- e --> , and OFFCOURSE NO REPLY:

Code:
Username: razmian12
Nickname: Ahmiq

Greetings,

It has been a while that #pakistan 500 manager has been given off to someone else , a guy claiming who was the ex-manager of #pakistan.I am writing this email because it has already been 20 days , and it seems that we might be in the process of losing #pakistan to a lamer who has been trying hard from a long time to get this channel. I want you  to know that i am not writing this email because i have some relation with the Manager ( Malik ) who's access has been taken off but because #pakistan was not created in a day. It has been on undernet from 1995 and has been serving the users of the network from then.Many people have given alot of precious time to #pakistan and it makes me extremly sad to what is happening to it and the way it has been handled. I will not go into the details much because i am sure you will be familiar with the things that happend. I just wish to put forward some concerns of myself and Team Pakistan who have been serving this channel from a long time.

Channel #pakistan would be one of the very few channels of Undernet IRC network who have a very good website and the way things are handled in their. There is a fully developed website www.undernetpakistan.com which has has a automated operator application system , complaint system , #pakistan forums , channel stats , team members page , rules page etc. Everything is fully organized order , to keep it to the best standards and to comply with the rules of the Undernet network. Why i am mentioning is that , it is the only thing which seems not to be taken by the Person who trying to act as the previous Manager. He tried to contact me several times , and offered me access to #Pakistan again , if i wish to help him gain access to the website. Which off course i turned down. The log of that conversation is added to this email. Aftar that he also asked me if i am willing to sell www.undernetpakistan.com which i refused as well.

If there is anything or any problem , everything is discussed among the Operators/Admins of the channel. There has not been a single time that there was a dispute of who will be the manager of the channel. Till the recent takeover initiated via cservice by this NEW guy there have been three Manager changes , of which Malik( the effected manager) was the third one. This change however , as you many know was not done via a manager change request. Zmokey , who found out 35 days later that there are two 500 Managers and there was a note that the change is temporary and he got a reply from the ex-manager that Zapp did the change in view of the problems there were back then that He should keep Malik on 500 and change the ex-manager to 499. Which was done that time. Rather then telling the Ex-manager , to get back the 500 and then file a manager change request.As there was a manual 500 change done by Cservice and the channel was given to Malik. Should Zmokey/Zapp , who seem to have done the manual change back then told the ex-manger to follow the rules and make the manager change request , this current situation would not have been arised in the first place. That being done , the ex-manager left IRC and the channel was given to Malik who was running it in a perfect manner uptil now. Even if Zapp did something out of the rules back then , he was representing cservice at that time , The users/admin/operators of the channel Dont care what is being done as long as things are well at their side. It should have been the responsibility of Cservice.

The username Hulleye has been re-registered , and i am sure it will not be more then 2 years old because when the Ex-manager left IRC his username got expired. Now it is not Malik responsibility not the Team #pakistan responsibility to keep track of what would happen to the ex-manager username or if someone could re-register it and claim what happend in 2009.  It is so funny that anyone could come on with a previous EXPIRED username and claim something on Undernet and he actually gets it? If someone is willing to QUIT undernet , if he wishes , there should be an option to put a NO-RE-REGISTRATION tag on that username so that such things dont happen again.

If there was some problem , regarding the channel. There should have been a proper way to conduct it. If there was to be an investigation into the issue( which is after so many years) , which should have been enforced to the channel #pakistan by suspending the 500 username. So that the team #pakistan operators/admins as well as the current Manager should know about it and would have been given a part to explain  what is going on. If he was incompetent or there was some problem . The Operators/Admins should have been given a say in this. Nobody would say a word if the REAL previous manager comes in and asks Malik for the channel. He would get it by malik himself , because he too gave this channel alot.
Me and the Team #Pakistan , really understand that , There has been an error on Zapp etc. which were Cservice then  and some of the information which might have been leaked out from other half's as well which have lead Cservice to decide that there was something wrong with the channel. But it should also have been kept in mind the recent hacking attempts which were made by the same guy who is now the Hulleye on the Malik username.

Hence i request , that its not only Malik who is getting effected by the decision but also Pakistan Team and many others who believe that they have deep ties with Undernet network and they have given alot of time to this network and many other channels too.


Sincere Regards ,

Ahmiq


Different Nick/Ip's used by the Impersonator:


[16:29] nighte is Seks@119.155.19.116 * online
[16:29] nighte on #cservice
[16:29] nighte using *.undernet.org The Undernet Underworld
[16:29] nighte End of /WHOIS list.

[03:31] Malik`` is gone@119.155.6.178 * #pakistan@undernet
[03:31] Malik`` on #cservice
[03:31] Malik`` using *.undernet.org The Undernet Underworld
[03:31] Malik`` End of /WHOIS list.

Goraff is nomail@Hulleye.users.undernet.org * 00/00/01
Goraff on @#pakistan
Goraff using *.undernet.org The Undernet Underworld
Goraff is away: Sleeping!!!!
Goraff is logged in as Hulleye
Goraff End of /WHOIS list.

Goraff!nomail@119.155.28.248
Maliks is ~unet@119.155.15.140 * post
Maliks (gone@116.71.41.72)
resque (Seks@116.71.46.124)
zappster was ~pearll@119.155.20.72 * abc
deception is x@119.155.0.156 * xPsycho
deception- (fatt@octopus.users.undernet.org)
zappster is ~cjs@116.71.56.124 * Jack Sparrow
deception- was ~redb@116.71.56.124 * Jack Sparrow






Session Start: Sun Jan 29 22:02:23 2012
Session Ident: Goraff
[22:02] Session Ident: Goraff (UnderNet, Ahmiq) (nomail@Hulleye.users.undernet.org)
[22:02] <Goraff> Hello
01[22:02] <Ahmiq> Hi
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01[22:02] Goraff is nomail@Hulleye.users.undernet.org * 00/00/01
01[22:02] Goraff on #pakistan
01[22:02] Goraff using *.undernet.org The Undernet Underworld
01[22:02] Goraff is logged in as Hulleye
01[22:02] Goraff End of /WHOIS list.
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[22:03] <Goraff> do u know whois dreeping
01[22:03] <Ahmiq> sorry?
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01[22:04] Goraff is nomail@Hulleye.users.undernet.org * 00/00/01
01[22:04] Goraff on @#pakistan
01[22:04] Goraff using *.undernet.org The Undernet Underworld
01[22:04] Goraff is logged in as Hulleye
01[22:04] Goraff End of /WHOIS list.
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[22:04] <Goraff> nothing
01[22:04] <Ahmiq> who are you?
[22:10] <Goraff> are you able to see acces list
[22:10] <Goraff> ?
01[22:10] <Ahmiq> Yes i am.
01[22:11] <Ahmiq> Who are you?
[22:11] <Goraff> You need to type /msg x info #pakistan
01[22:11] <Ahmiq> I know the X commands
[22:12] <Goraff> dont u know Malik betrayed ?
01[22:13] <Ahmiq> Betrayed who?
[22:14] <Goraff> me
[22:14] <Goraff> I was a former and now current manager on #pakistan
01[22:15] <Ahmiq> What is your name?
[22:16] <Goraff> What's inside my name ?
[22:16] <Goraff> and for what you wanna know my name
01[22:16] <Ahmiq> Why did you takeover the channel?
[22:17] <Goraff> No i did'nt took over channel
[22:17] <Goraff> Channel reverted back to previous manager
01[22:18] <Ahmiq> Why have you added me in the channel Xs list?
[22:19] <Goraff> coz someone requested me to add you here as you're not involved in it
01[22:19] <Ahmiq> who requested you?
[22:20] <Goraff> that dreeping guy
01[22:21] <Ahmiq> whois dreeping guy? :S
01[22:21] dreeping No such nick
01[22:21] dreeping End of /WHOIS list.
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[22:21] <Goraff> he said he and his irc oper friends wants me to add you here
01[22:23] <Ahmiq> why would you accept what dreeping would say? i dont know who dreeping is.
[22:24] <Goraff> Hold on let me show you the logs
[22:26] <Goraff> [03:50] <Dreping> is there any you might would keep in that accesslist if you had the channel back (without hinting in how many/who or such)?
[22:26] <Goraff>  01[03:51] <Goraff> offcourse i removed em all
[22:26] <Goraff> [03:51] <Dreping> please keep Ahmiq if you get it then *g*
[22:26] <Goraff> [03:51] <Dreping> (ooh, if he wishes to stay, then)
[22:26] <Goraff>  01[03:52] <Goraff> so you're a friend of ahmiq
[22:26] <Goraff>  01[03:52] <Goraff> ?
[22:26] <Goraff> [03:52] <Dreping> no, i am not
[22:26] <Goraff>  01[03:52] <Goraff> then
[22:27] <Goraff> [03:52] <Dreping> but my operfriend knows him some
[22:27] <Goraff>  01[03:53] <Goraff> k
01[22:27] Dreping No such nick
01[22:27] Dreping End of /WHOIS list.
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[22:27] <Goraff> i dont know whois he
01[22:27] <Ahmiq> Can you tell me his username?
[22:28] <Goraff> Session Ident: Dreping (UnderNet, Goraff) (sheee@licking.users.undernet.org)
01[22:28] -> *x* verify licking
05[22:28] -X- LiCking!~Licking@wardyi1.lnk.telstra.net is NOT logged in.
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01[22:29] LiCking is ~Licking@wardyi1.lnk.telstra.net * MetaLiKa DiCkS *
01[22:29] LiCking using *.undernet.org The Undernet Underworld
01[22:29] LiCking is away:  4Connection reset by mrs. peers(mr. peer has retired!)
01[22:29] licking End of /WHOIS list.
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[22:30] <Goraff> So tell me you want to stay in list or you're with Malik ?
01[22:30] <Ahmiq> I dont want personal favors :)
01[22:30] <Ahmiq> Thank you
[22:31] <Goraff> i am not getting you
01[22:32] <Ahmiq> If you have added me because of a personal favor to someone. I dont need it. i am thankful for your generosity though.
[22:32] <Goraff> personal favour
[22:32] <Goraff> ?
[22:33] <Goraff> no he said you're nice guy aswell
01[22:33] <Ahmiq> Well the logs you showed , it didnt say of me being nice.
[22:33] <Goraff> if you think you're added just coz of his favour then you need to read that logs again am asking him who he is
[22:33] <Goraff> i did'nt paste full logs here
01[22:34] <Ahmiq> Where did you find him?
01[22:34] <Ahmiq> Is he your friend?
[22:34] <Goraff> no
[22:34] <Goraff> he joined me in pvt
01[22:34] <Ahmiq> Sorry , i dont know anyone with that username/nick
[22:35] <Goraff> aright
[22:36] <Goraff> Enjoy your stay then
01[22:36] <Ahmiq> Thank you
[22:58] <Goraff> so you're taking side of Malik
[22:58] <Goraff> ?
01[22:58] <Ahmiq> I am not taking any sides.
[22:58] <Goraff> that's what i want you to be neutral
[23:25] <Goraff> you're running undernetpakistan.com
[23:25] <Goraff> right
[23:25] <Goraff> ?
01[23:26] <Ahmiq> I am not an administrator of Pakistan , i am an operator
01[23:26] <Ahmiq> WAS*
[23:26] <Goraff> but the website registered by you
[23:26] <Goraff> no ?
01[23:28] <Ahmiq> Sorry until i know who you are , i cannot give you any information.
[23:28] <Goraff> dont you see i am the manager of channel pakistan
[23:28] <Goraff> and i am sure you're the admin/owner of that websites
[23:28] <Goraff> website*
[23:31] <Goraff> ?
01[23:31] <Ahmiq> As i said , i am sorry. The info you gave me is not enough.
[23:32] <Goraff> Enjoy your stay then nomore operator now
[23:32] <Goraff> cheers!
01[23:32] <Ahmiq> Sure. I never asked you to make me.
Session Time: Mon Jan 30 00:00:00 2012

We have logs of this Hacker , where he has been constantly saying that he had access to the X@ and cservice-abuse@ list too , this is log from 2010.
Quote:Session Start: Sat Mar 27 09:22:47 2010
Session Ident: PakAsia
[09:22] Session Ident: PakAsia (<!-- e --><a href="mailto:~irc@octopus.users.undernet.org">~irc@octopus.users.undernet.org</a><!-- e -->)
[09:22] <PakAsia> Salaam
[13:39] No such nick
[16:07] <h|ghNDrYe> Salam alekum jani
[16:07] <PakAsia> WalaikumAssalaam
[16:07] <h|ghNDrYe> Kiya haal hain?
[16:08] <PakAsia> fine fine
[16:08] <PakAsia> hows u dude
[16:08] <h|ghNDrYe> I'm good
[16:08] <h|ghNDrYe> We missed the fucker last night
[16:08] <h|ghNDrYe> <!-- sSad --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sad.gif" alt="Sad" title="Sad" /><!-- sSad -->
[16:08] <h|ghNDrYe> He commented .. at 2 in the morning and i was on the phone
[16:08] <h|ghNDrYe> 40 mins late dekha
[16:10] <PakAsia> <!-- sSad --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sad.gif" alt="Sad" title="Sad" /><!-- sSad -->
[16:10] <PakAsia> aray boss
[16:10] <PakAsia> may nay us ko chorhaa to hai
[16:10] <PakAsia> Shahkar Alvi
[16:12] <PakAsia> us nay kal kaha tha mujhay k woh online hui phr offline ho gae
[16:12] <h|ghNDrYe> Ahaaan.
[16:12] <h|ghNDrYe> Good thing you removed bhabi from the profile
[16:12] <PakAsia> nope but she did i guess
[16:12] <h|ghNDrYe> Both of them 'Anum khan' and 'Shahkar alvi' have indecent ppl on their profiles
[16:13] <h|ghNDrYe> Oooow sahi.
[16:13] <h|ghNDrYe> Phir bhee, its good.
[16:13] <h|ghNDrYe> Better this way
[16:13] <PakAsia> u mean shahkar alvi and anum khan are same
[16:13] <PakAsia> :S
[16:13] <h|ghNDrYe> no
[16:13] <h|ghNDrYe> I checked
[16:14] <h|ghNDrYe> shahkar is on PTCL broadband
[16:14] <PakAsia> hmmmm
[16:15] <h|ghNDrYe> dekho, she tara walay profile per i'm tryin to get her to msg me
[16:15] <h|ghNDrYe> Aik baar sirf id match ho jaye koey
[16:15] <PakAsia> hmmmm
[16:15] <PakAsia> yehi to rola hai
[16:16] <h|ghNDrYe> Tum be-fiker raho .. i'll keep the conversation going and picking up the faker's ip's.
[16:17] <h|ghNDrYe> Kabhi tu slip up karay ga and we will get an id from his ip address.
[16:17] <PakAsia> yep
[16:57] <Abdul^Bari> koi way to hoga jaani
[16:57] <Abdul^Bari> id malum karnay ka fb par
[16:57] <Abdul^Bari> aaj raat ko karta hun kuch
[16:57] <Abdul^Bari> gusta hun
[16:57] <Abdul^Bari> abay mujhay interest raha hi nahi kabhi
[16:57] <Abdul^Bari> fb may
[16:58] <h|ghNDrYe> I've been trying for some time
[16:59] <h|ghNDrYe> ip tak tou pohnch gya .. not many ppl know abt this one.
[16:59] <Abdul^Bari> yesh
[16:59] <Abdul^Bari> id to masla nahi hona chahiye
[16:59] <Abdul^Bari> mere khayaal se
[16:59] <Abdul^Bari> pvt msg may
[16:59] <Abdul^Bari> id show hota hay
[17:00] <h|ghNDrYe> Nai yar. <!-- sSad --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sad.gif" alt="Sad" title="Sad" /><!-- sSad -->
[17:02] <Abdul^Bari> nikal aaey ga
[17:02] <h|ghNDrYe> <!-- sSmile --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt="Smile" title="Smile" /><!-- sSmile -->
[17:02] <Abdul^Bari> dekh //Look
[17:02] <Abdul^Bari> aik time hota tha //There was a time
[17:03] <Abdul^Bari> jab first time mera id hack hua tha //When my id was first hacked
[17:03] <Abdul^Bari> 2001 may //In 2001
[17:03] <Abdul^Bari> tab may bachoun ki tarhaan search karta tha //I used to search like a kid
[17:03] <Abdul^Bari> <!-- sTongue --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt="Tongue" title="Razz" /><!-- sTongue -->
[17:03] <Abdul^Bari> hacking tricks //hacking tricks
[17:03] <Abdul^Bari> Impossible hai //Its impossible
[17:03] <Abdul^Bari> ab bhi //Even today
[17:03] <Abdul^Bari> google par jitnay articles milengay tujhay //All the articles you will find on google
[17:03] <Abdul^Bari> sab fake //are all fake
[17:03] <Abdul^Bari> keyloggers b detect ho jaatay hain //keyloggers get detected
[17:03] <h|ghNDrYe> Yeah
[17:03] <Abdul^Bari> bauhaut kuch use kia //I used a lot
[17:03] <Abdul^Bari> maza nahi aaya //it wasn't satisfying
[17:03] <h|ghNDrYe> <!-- sSmile --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt="Smile" title="Smile" /><!-- sSmile -->
[17:03] <Abdul^Bari> Lakin buss spirit honi chahiyee //One should have the spirit
[17:04] <Abdul^Bari> ab mere liye koi b id uthana mushkil nahi //Now stealing any id isn't difficult for me
[17:04] <Abdul^Bari> through ip //through an ip
[17:04] <h|ghNDrYe> Yeah
[17:04] <Abdul^Bari> bus apni access ka wrong use nai karoo gay //as long as you do not misuse your access
[17:04] <Abdul^Bari> power ap k pas rahay gi //you will stay in power
[17:04] <h|ghNDrYe> <!-- sSmile --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt="Smile" title="Smile" /><!-- sSmile -->
[17:04] <Abdul^Bari> search par hai //Its on search
[17:04] <Abdul^Bari> Lakin help kar deta hun may koi b kahay //but i help anyone who asks
[17:05] <Abdul^Bari> /msg x verify remosi ///msg x verify remosi
[17:05] <Abdul^Bari> yeh undernet ka coder hai //This is an undernet coder
[17:05] <Abdul^Bari> bauhaut chik chik karta tha //Used to talk a lot
[17:05] <Abdul^Bari> is ka aik domain tha //He had a domain
[17:06] <Abdul^Bari> coders.net //coders.net
[17:06] <Abdul^Bari> woh may nay uraya tha is k paas 2 years tak us par access nahi diya isay //I stole it and did not give him access for two years
[17:06] <Abdul^Bari> phr waapis kar diya tha //Then returned it
[17:08] <Abdul^Bari> even i am the ex channel services representative //Even i am the ex channel services representative
[17:08] <Abdul^Bari> X@ admin // x@ admin
[17:08] <Abdul^Bari> yeh X dekh raha hay tu //Can you see this X
[17:08] <Abdul^Bari> undernet par //on undernet
[17:08] <Abdul^Bari> kabhi yeh id khol k dekhna //open this id sometime
[17:08] <Abdul^Bari> funx2013 //funx2013
[17:09] <Abdul^Bari> password : CT-21S123SNSSZHT.. //password : CT-21S123SNSSZHT..
[17:09] <Abdul^Bari> gmail par //on gmail
[17:09] <Abdul^Bari> <!-- e --><a href="mailto:x@undernet.org">x@undernet.org</a><!-- e --> par jitni emails aatee theen //all the email that comes on <!-- e --><a href="mailto:x@undernet.org">x@undernet.org</a><!-- e -->
[17:09] <Abdul^Bari> sab k replies may deta tha //i used to reply to them all
[17:09] <Abdul^Bari> jo chaha yahan undernet kia pooray internet par kia //I did what i wanted on undernet and the internet
[17:09] <Abdul^Bari> dil berh gaya //I got bored
[17:09] <Abdul^Bari> resign kar diya //resigned
[17:10] <Abdul^Bari> #karachi hack kia //hacked #karachi
[17:10] <Abdul^Bari> #pakistan //#pakistan
[17:10] <Abdul^Bari> #lahore //#lahore
[17:10] <Abdul^Bari> Lakin just fun ki hadd tak //just for fun
[17:13] <Abdul^Bari> meri waja se cservice waaloun nay //because of me the cservice people
[17:13] <Abdul^Bari> apna cservice training programm hi reset kar diya //reset their training program
[17:13] <Abdul^Bari> takreebann end hi hai //that has almost ended
[17:13] <Abdul^Bari> itna tang kia tha un ko <!-- sTongue --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt="Tongue" title="Razz" /><!-- sTongue --> //this is how much i bothered them
[17:15] <Abdul^Bari> Lakin bus time tha aik //but that was a time.
Session Time: Sun Mar 28 00:00:00 2010
Session Close: Sun Mar 28 03:27:00 2010

Another Log when the same Lamer failed to get the Malik's Username:

Quote:Session Ident: resque-` (<!-- e --><a href="mailto:Seks@116.71.53.217">Seks@116.71.53.217</a><!-- e -->)
[21:40] <+Malik> <resque-`> ALLAH ki qasam Malik ALLAH ki qasam // By God Malik By God
[21:40] <+Malik> <resque-`> tu namaaz parh k aaya hai // You have come from offering prayers
[21:40] <+Malik> <resque-`> may musalmaan hun // I am muslim
[21:40] <+Malik> <resque-`> may b musalmaan hun // i am alo muslim
[21:40] <+Malik> <Malik> mai nahi manta // I dont beleive
[21:40] <+Malik> <Malik> tum muslim ho // that you are muslim
[21:40] <+Malik> <Malik> agar muslim hotey //If you were a muslim
[21:40] <+Malik> <resque-`> may tujhay isi week // I will show you this week
[21:40] <+Malik> <Malik> agar muslim hotey // If you were muslim
[21:40] <+Malik> <resque-`> X se b aakar dikha doonga // I will come from X
[21:40] <+Malik> <resque-`> khush ? // happy?
[21:40] <+Malik> <Malik> usdin tum mairey nick sey cservice pey theey // that day you were using my nick and were on cservice
[21:40] <+Malik> <Malik> aur khod ko malik bata rahey they // and were calling yourself Malik
[21:40] <+Malik> <resque-`> X tujh se baat karay ga // X will talk to you
[21:40] <+Malik> <Malik> keh tum asaal malik ho // That you are malik
[21:40] <+Malik> <Malik> inlogon ney maira channel ley liya // and these people have taken away my channel
[21:40] <+Malik> <Malik> ainaak chayey // need glasses
[21:40] <+Malik> <Malik> ?
[21:40] <+Malik> <resque-`> nahi bay may nahi tha woh // no i was not that
[21:40] <+Malik> <Malik> mai ney tumhain aik baat kahee thee // I told you once
[21:40] <+Malik> <Malik> keh agar tum asli Malik ho // if you are real malik
[21:40] <+Malik> <Malik> aur musalmaan ho // and if you are a muslim
[21:40] <+Malik> <Malik> then go wozoo karoo aur Quran-e-majeed saar pey rakhoo then you'll find the answer // Do wadhu and Put Quran on your head , u will find the answer
[21:40] <+Malik> <Malik> keh tum really Malik ho // that you are malik
[21:40] <+Malik> <Malik> yeah imposter ho // or an imposter
[21:41] <+Malik> <Malik> tum mairi wish abhi poori karo // fulfull my wish now
[21:41] <+Malik> <resque-`> offcourse may impersonating hi karta hun // OFFCOURSE i do impersonating
[21:41] <+Malik> <Malik> even // even
[21:41] <+Malik> <resque-`> mera koi channel hai hi nahi // i dont have any channel
[21:41] <+Malik> <Malik> 750 key xs sey a jaoo // come from 750 xs
[21:41] <+Malik> <Malik> pakistan pey // on pakistan
[21:41] <+Malik> <Malik> aur mujhey kick/ban karoo // and KICK /BAN me
[21:41] <+Malik> <Malik> saab ko darshan karwaoo // Show it to all
[21:41] <+Malik> <Malik> mai maan loonga // I will accept it
[21:41] <+Malik> <Malik> channel chor doonga // i will leave this channel
[21:41] <+Malik> <Malik> wapas nahi aaonga // will never come back
[21:41] <+Malik> <resque-`> abhi filhaal mere paas access mailing list par hai usernames par b hai // NOW I ONLY HAVE MAILING LISTS ACCESS USERNAMES TOO
[21:41] <+Malik> <resque-`> Lakin login nahi kar sakta // BUT I CANT LOGIN
[21:41] <+Malik> <resque-`> due to IPR // DUE TO IPR
[21:41] <+Malik> <resque-`> INTERNET PROTOCOL RESTRICTION // INTERNEL PROTOCOL RESTRICTION
[21:41] <+Malik> <resque-`> Or may qasam b khaa chukka // And i have also sweared
[21:41] <+Malik> <resque-`> * walay jitnay usernames hain // all usernames of *
[21:41] <+Malik> <resque-`> sab k ip added hain // All ips are added
[21:41] <+Malik> <resque-`> us ip se aaow gay to login kar saktay ho // You can only Login if you come from that IP
[21:41] <+Malik> <resque-`> warna nahi // or else NOT
[21:41] <+Malik> <resque-`> bol to may tujhay #cservice_info k logs dikha don // I will show you logs from #cservice_info
[21:41] <+Malik> <resque-`> jo in ka backend channel hai // Which is their backend channel
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Yet another Log of this lamer:
Quote:[00:09] <Malik> <resque> tu ksi b mailing list par email maar-> You email any of the mailing list Cservice@, X@, usernames@
[00:09] <Malik> <resque> may batata hun tu nay kia email ki hai -> I'll tell you what email was sent
[00:09] <Malik> <resque> cservice-abuse@
[00:09] <Malik> <resque> cservice@
[00:09] <Malik> <resque> x@
[00:09] <Malik> <resque> usernames@
[00:09] <Malik> <resque> kaheen b email maar -> try any of the above
[00:09] <Malik> <resque> may tujhay batata hun kia email ki hai -> i'll tell you what did you email
[00:09] <Malik> <resque> na bataya to may rundi ka bacha -> I swear of my mother
[00:09] <Malik> <resque> buss-> ok
[00:09] <Malik> <resque> ?
[00:09] <Malik> <resque-> I have 900* on X
[00:09] <Malik> <Malik> 900 hai tu dekhaa zara darshan kara -> if you have 900 then show it.

A log of this guy , telling me before Hodari transferred him the channel:
Quote:Session Start: Sat Jan 07 16:29:13 2012
Session Ident: nighte
[16:29] Session Ident: nighte (UnderNet, Ahmiq) (<!-- e --><a href="mailto:Seks@119.155.19.116">Seks@119.155.19.116</a><!-- e -->)
[16:29] <nighte> <!-- sBig Grin --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="Big Grin" title="Very Happy" /><!-- sBig Grin -->
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[16:29] nighte is <!-- e --><a href="mailto:Seks@119.155.19.116">Seks@119.155.19.116</a><!-- e --> * online
[16:29] nighte on #cservice
[16:29] nighte using *.undernet.org The Undernet Underworld
[16:29] nighte End of /WHOIS list.
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[16:29] <Ahmiq> Sorry?
[16:30] <nighte> wese channel to thukkay ga // By the way , this channel is going down
[16:30] <nighte> yeh likh le tu // get his in writing from me
[16:30] <Ahmiq> Allah behtar farmayenge <!-- sSmile --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt="Smile" title="Smile" /><!-- sSmile --> // Allah will make it better <!-- sSmile --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt="Smile" title="Smile" /><!-- sSmile -->
[16:31] <nighte> lol
[16:31] <nighte> Beshak // ofcourse
[16:31] <nighte> Lakin jahaan access wrong use hote hai // But where people use wrong access
[16:31] <nighte> wahaan ALLAH madad farmata hay // There Allah helps
[16:31] <nighte> <!-- sBig Grin --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="Big Grin" title="Very Happy" /><!-- sBig Grin -->
[16:31] <nighte> itnay saaloun se ksi nay thoka channel // did someone ever did anything to this channel in many years?
[16:31] <nighte> na hi thukka // it didnt happen
[16:31] <nighte> kiun ? // Why?
[16:31] <nighte> kiun k tum log set chal rahay thay // Because you guys were going allright.
[16:33] <Ahmiq> Ahan.
[16:33] <Ahmiq> <!-- sSmile --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt="Smile" title="Smile" /><!-- sSmile -->
[16:34] <nighte> tum log teyray huway may ulta hogaya // You guys are not Ok anymore , so am i
[16:34] <nighte> ab pakroo mujhay // Now catch me me
[16:34] <nighte> Malik to waira hogaya hay ustaad // malik has gone mad
[16:35] <Ahmiq> sahe // Ok
[16:35] <Ahmiq> Apki tareef? // Who are you?
[16:35] <nighte> Malik // Malik
[16:37] <nighte> Malik ka nick kia hai abhi // what is malik's nick now
[16:37] <nighte> ?
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[16:37] nighte is <!-- e --><a href="mailto:Seks@119.155.19.116">Seks@119.155.19.116</a><!-- e --> * online
[16:37] nighte on #cservice
[16:37] nighte using *.undernet.org The Undernet Underworld
[16:37] nighte End of /WHOIS list.
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[16:37] <Ahmiq> nighte
[16:37] <nighte> nahi jo abhi pakistan ka current manager hai // no , who is the current manager of Pakistan
[16:37] <nighte> us ka // his
[16:37] <nighte> <!-- sTongue --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt="Tongue" title="Razz" /><!-- sTongue -->
[16:38] <Ahmiq> you said you are malik?
[16:39] <nighte> I am
[16:39] <nighte> to Malik ek hi hai kia // there is only one malik?
[16:39] <nighte> Confused
[16:35] <nighte> <!-- sBig Grin --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="Big Grin" title="Very Happy" /><!-- sBig Grin -->
[16:36] <Ahmiq> Sahe <!-- sSmile --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt="Smile" title="Smile" /><!-- sSmile -->


Logs , where he wanted to get access to the <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.undernetpakistan.com">http://www.undernetpakistan.com</a><!-- m --> , which is the only thing he had no access to:
Quote:Session Start: Sun Jan 29 22:02:23 2012
Session Ident: Goraff
[22:02] Session Ident: Goraff (UnderNet, Ahmiq) (<!-- e --><a href="mailto:nomail@Hulleye.users.undernet.org">nomail@Hulleye.users.undernet.org</a><!-- e -->)
[22:02] <Goraff> Hello
01[22:02] <Ahmiq> Hi
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01[22:02] Goraff is <!-- e --><a href="mailto:nomail@Hulleye.users.undernet.org">nomail@Hulleye.users.undernet.org</a><!-- e --> * 00/00/01
01[22:02] Goraff on #pakistan
01[22:02] Goraff using *.undernet.org The Undernet Underworld
01[22:02] Goraff is logged in as Hulleye
01[22:02] Goraff End of /WHOIS list.
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[22:03] <Goraff> do u know whois dreeping
01[22:03] <Ahmiq> sorry?
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01[22:04] Goraff is <!-- e --><a href="mailto:nomail@Hulleye.users.undernet.org">nomail@Hulleye.users.undernet.org</a><!-- e --> * 00/00/01
01[22:04] Goraff on @#pakistan
01[22:04] Goraff using *.undernet.org The Undernet Underworld
01[22:04] Goraff is logged in as Hulleye
01[22:04] Goraff End of /WHOIS list.
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[22:04] <Goraff> nothing
01[22:04] <Ahmiq> who are you?
[22:10] <Goraff> are you able to see acces list
[22:10] <Goraff> ?
01[22:10] <Ahmiq> Yes i am.
01[22:11] <Ahmiq> Who are you?
[22:11] <Goraff> You need to type /msg x info #pakistan
01[22:11] <Ahmiq> I know the X commands
[22:12] <Goraff> dont u know Malik betrayed ?
01[22:13] <Ahmiq> Betrayed who?
[22:14] <Goraff> me
[22:14] <Goraff> I was a former and now current manager on #pakistan
01[22:15] <Ahmiq> What is your name?
[22:16] <Goraff> What's inside my name ?
[22:16] <Goraff> and for what you wanna know my name
01[22:16] <Ahmiq> Why did you takeover the channel?
[22:17] <Goraff> No i did'nt took over channel
[22:17] <Goraff> Channel reverted back to previous manager
01[22:18] <Ahmiq> Why have you added me in the channel Xs list?
[22:19] <Goraff> coz someone requested me to add you here as you're not involved in it
01[22:19] <Ahmiq> who requested you?
[22:20] <Goraff> that dreeping guy
01[22:21] <Ahmiq> whois dreeping guy? :S
01[22:21] dreeping No such nick
01[22:21] dreeping End of /WHOIS list.
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[22:21] <Goraff> he said he and his irc oper friends wants me to add you here
01[22:23] <Ahmiq> why would you accept what dreeping would say? i dont know who dreeping is.
[22:24] <Goraff> Hold on let me show you the logs
[22:26] <Goraff> [03:50] <Dreping> is there any you might would keep in that accesslist if you had the channel back (without hinting in how many/who or such)?
[22:26] <Goraff> 01[03:51] <Goraff> offcourse i removed em all
[22:26] <Goraff> [03:51] <Dreping> please keep Ahmiq if you get it then *g*
[22:26] <Goraff> [03:51] <Dreping> (ooh, if he wishes to stay, then)
[22:26] <Goraff> 01[03:52] <Goraff> so you're a friend of ahmiq
[22:26] <Goraff> 01[03:52] <Goraff> ?
[22:26] <Goraff> [03:52] <Dreping> no, i am not
[22:26] <Goraff> 01[03:52] <Goraff> then
[22:27] <Goraff> [03:52] <Dreping> but my operfriend knows him some
[22:27] <Goraff> 01[03:53] <Goraff> k
01[22:27] Dreping No such nick
01[22:27] Dreping End of /WHOIS list.
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[22:27] <Goraff> i dont know whois he
01[22:27] <Ahmiq> Can you tell me his username?
[22:28] <Goraff> Session Ident: Dreping (UnderNet, Goraff) (<!-- e --><a href="mailtoConfusedheee@licking.users.undernet.org">sheee@licking.users.undernet.org</a><!-- e -->)
01[22:28] -> *x* verify licking
05[22:28] -X- <!-- e --><a href="mailto:LiCking!~Licking@wardyi1.lnk.telstra.net">LiCking!~Licking@wardyi1.lnk.telstra.net</a><!-- e --> is NOT logged in.
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01[22:29] LiCking is <!-- e --><a href="mailto:~Licking@wardyi1.lnk.telstra.net">~Licking@wardyi1.lnk.telstra.net</a><!-- e --> * MetaLiKa DiCkS *
01[22:29] LiCking using *.undernet.org The Undernet Underworld
01[22:29] LiCking is away: 4Connection reset by mrs. peers(mr. peer has retired!)
01[22:29] licking End of /WHOIS list.
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[22:30] <Goraff> So tell me you want to stay in list or you're with Malik ?
01[22:30] <Ahmiq> I dont want personal favors <!-- sSmile --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt="Smile" title="Smile" /><!-- sSmile -->
01[22:30] <Ahmiq> Thank you
[22:31] <Goraff> i am not getting you
01[22:32] <Ahmiq> If you have added me because of a personal favor to someone. I dont need it. i am thankful for your generosity though.
[22:32] <Goraff> personal favour
[22:32] <Goraff> ?
[22:33] <Goraff> no he said you're nice guy aswell
01[22:33] <Ahmiq> Well the logs you showed , it didnt say of me being nice.
[22:33] <Goraff> if you think you're added just coz of his favour then you need to read that logs again am asking him who he is
[22:33] <Goraff> i did'nt paste full logs here
01[22:34] <Ahmiq> Where did you find him?
01[22:34] <Ahmiq> Is he your friend?
[22:34] <Goraff> no
[22:34] <Goraff> he joined me in pvt
01[22:34] <Ahmiq> Sorry , i dont know anyone with that username/nick
[22:35] <Goraff> aright
[22:36] <Goraff> Enjoy your stay then
01[22:36] <Ahmiq> Thank you
[22:58] <Goraff> so you're taking side of Malik
[22:58] <Goraff> ?
01[22:58] <Ahmiq> I am not taking any sides.
[22:58] <Goraff> that's what i want you to be neutral
[23:25] <Goraff> you're running undernetpakistan.com
[23:25] <Goraff> right
[23:25] <Goraff> ?
01[23:26] <Ahmiq> I am not an administrator of Pakistan , i am an operator
01[23:26] <Ahmiq> WAS*
[23:26] <Goraff> but the website registered by you
[23:26] <Goraff> no ?
01[23:28] <Ahmiq> Sorry until i know who you are , i cannot give you any information.
[23:28] <Goraff> dont you see i am the manager of channel pakistan
[23:28] <Goraff> and i am sure you're the admin/owner of that websites
[23:28] <Goraff> website*
[23:31] <Goraff> ?
01[23:31] <Ahmiq> As i said , i am sorry. The info you gave me is not enough.
[23:32] <Goraff> Enjoy your stay then nomore operator now
[23:32] <Goraff> cheers!
01[23:32] <Ahmiq> Sure. I never asked you to make me.
Session Time: Mon Jan 30 00:00:00 2012

All the idents /nicks we got on this lamer:
Quote:[16:29] nighte is <!-- e --><a href="mailto:Seks@119.155.19.116">Seks@119.155.19.116</a><!-- e --> * online
[16:29] nighte on #cservice
[16:29] nighte using *.undernet.org The Undernet Underworld
[16:29] nighte End of /WHOIS list.

[03:31] Malik`` is <!-- e --><a href="mailto:gone@119.155.6.178">gone@119.155.6.178</a><!-- e --> * #pakistan@undernet
[03:31] Malik`` on #cservice
[03:31] Malik`` using *.undernet.org The Undernet Underworld
[03:31] Malik`` End of /WHOIS list.

Goraff is <!-- e --><a href="mailto:nomail@Hulleye.users.undernet.org">nomail@Hulleye.users.undernet.org</a><!-- e --> * 00/00/01
Goraff on @#pakistan
Goraff using *.undernet.org The Undernet Underworld
Goraff is away: Sleeping!!!!
Goraff is logged in as Hulleye
Goraff End of /WHOIS list.

<!-- e --><a href="mailto:Goraff!nomail@119.155.28.248">Goraff!nomail@119.155.28.248</a><!-- e -->
Maliks is <!-- e --><a href="mailto:~unet@119.155.15.140">~unet@119.155.15.140</a><!-- e --> * post
Maliks (<!-- e --><a href="mailto:gone@116.71.41.72">gone@116.71.41.72</a><!-- e -->)
resque (<!-- e --><a href="mailto:Seks@116.71.46.124">Seks@116.71.46.124</a><!-- e -->)
zappster was <!-- e --><a href="mailto:~pearll@119.155.20.72">~pearll@119.155.20.72</a><!-- e --> * abc
deception is <!-- e --><a href="mailto:x@119.155.0.156">x@119.155.0.156</a><!-- e --> * xPsycho
deception- (<!-- e --><a href="mailto:fatt@octopus.users.undernet.org">fatt@octopus.users.undernet.org</a><!-- e -->)
zappster is <!-- e --><a href="mailto:~cjs@116.71.56.124">~cjs@116.71.56.124</a><!-- e --> * Jack Sparrow
deception- was <!-- e --><a href="mailto:~redb@116.71.56.124">~redb@116.71.56.124</a><!-- e --> * Jack Sparrow
deception- (<!-- e --><a href="mailto:fatt@octopus.users.undernet.org">fatt@octopus.users.undernet.org</a><!-- e -->)
deception is x@ x2.users.undernet.org * x

And recently:
deception is <!-- e --><a href="mailto:nomail@Hulleye.users.undernet.org">nomail@Hulleye.users.undernet.org</a><!-- e --> * 00/00/00
deception on +#pakistan
deception using *.undernet.org The Undernet Underworld
deception is logged in as Hulleye
deception has been idle 13mins 47secs, signed on Sat Feb 18 15:19:31
deception End of /WHOIS list.

Anyways ,I wish to summarize the following parts:

o Channel #pakistan would be one of the very few channels of Undernet IRC network who have a very good website and the way things are handled there. There is a fully developed website <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.undernetpakistan.com">http://www.undernetpakistan.com</a><!-- m --> which has has a automated operator application system , complaint system , #pakistan forums , channel stats , team members page , rules page etc. Everything is fully organized order , to keep it to the best standards and to comply with the rules of the Undernet network.

o It is evident that this guy is not the REAL hulleye , because the username had expired when the real ex-manager left undernet , and i am sure this username which CSERVICE has given the channel to , is less then 2 years old and is re-registered. As we said , this Lamer has been around for quite a while now , and he planned all this wisely.

o It has been More then three weeks now , neither MALIK nor the Ex-manager has received any reply of the emails sent to Hodari or cservice-abuse@. None of the Admin from CSERVICE feels to reply to ANY email sent to them.
( UPDATE 26/2/2012 : Got an official response from CSERVICE that the matter is being looked into ) If Malik goes to #cservice he is being told to send an email to cservice-abuse@ by some and others tell him to wait for Hodari , who offcourse is busy in real life , and AFTER doing the honor of giving the channel AWAY to this LAMER , he does not seem to REPLY to any of the emails sent to him. If he is too busy with his real life , he should probably empower the OTHER admins of cservice , who can actually do something about it.

o It seems that , there is NO co-ordination between the people who take a look at cservice-abuse@ and the other admins , last night Malik got an email from
saying that the matter has been discussed. We have no idea why he wrote that , and what he meant by it. This was then denied later on by Empus saying its not correct and the matter still needs to be discussed with Hodari:
Quote: On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 9:01 PM, KsaN0va <KsaN0va@cservice.undernet.org> wrote:
Greetings,
Sir, the situation for that channel was spoken with the currently and old manager.
Please try to get in touch with him for more information.
Kind regards,
/cservice-abuse@
-KsaN0va

o There have been no contact with Malik , or ANY other operator/admin of #pakistan from Cservice itself or its Co-ordinator Hodari when they were giving the channel to this Lamer trying to become real Hulleye. The most funny part is that , after even three weeks , of that change , neither Malik , nor anybody else related to #pakistan , has been told , about the actual PROBLEM which is there and which lead Cservice to take this action. Before doing ANYTHING to such an OLD channel , at least they deserve to have a say in what is going to happen.

o This Lamer has been trying to impersonate Malik before , once he failed , he tried using ex-manager Username. Cservice knew that there is something going on , they were given all the ip's etc the fake ipersonator was using , and now the same ip block are being used by this Hulleye.

o If the problem is about the last manager change in 2009 or so , why was it not discussed and dealt it with then? why suddenly in 2012 , CSERVICE wants to changeover a previous manager change of a perfectly running channel. The Last manager change was also done by zappster/zmokey , who ALSO respresented cservice at that time. Malik never requested any of the cservice admin etc to give him 500. It was a decision taken by the ex-manager himself and was done by Cservice.

o What we care/cared about is that our channel was with us , we didnt know , infact , we need not to know ,what was happening inside Cservice , wether manual manager change is permissible or not , its upto cservice. NOT us. After many years , this is NOT the way to correct it. And even if u want to correct it , Cservice Gave the channel to the lamer? How funny is that? :S , the real ex-manager DID NOT want to stay on IRC anymore. that was the whole point. If this was the reall HULLEYE , Malik would transfer the channel back to him byhimself. He did not need to create all this fuss.

o It is not the responsibility of MALIK or any other Pakistan Team member , to keep track of what happens to the ex-managers username AFTER it has been expired. This is truly hilarious if someone could just re-register a username and claim a channel , and he gets it. Its Cservice responsibility NOT ours.

o When someone is an Admin/ Cs-ordinator , and he gets some emails , i think if not in 10 days , may be in a week , he can send a ONE LINER reply or eve Tell the other CS admins to take care of this. Just not coming to IRC and NOT replying to any email from Cs-ordinator is hilarious and sad.

o One of our operator RaphriBacha sent an email to cservice-abuse@ , The lamer messaged him telling the details of that email. How the heck is it possible that this lamer has access to cservice-abuse emails . He has been telling us all that he has access to such email lists , we want to know , HOW and WHY? Either someone from cservice has been giving information to this lamer and helping him OR he actually has access to all the email lists as he say. As it can be seen in the LOG he claims to have 750+ access and just cant login because he cant auth from a differetn IP.

o If there has been a problem in the channel of any Kind, rather then just manually changing the MANAGER , Hodari should have conducted an OPEN inquiry giving chance to EACH party. IF he think that manual change is NOT according to the rules , zmokey should have replied to the ex-manager email saying that they CANNOT do a manual change on #pakistan and the ex-manager should post a Manager change form via website which zmokey didnt

o I have never came across ANY rules and regulations regarding what admins of cservice admins can DO and what they CANT do , for a user as long as the channel is back and safe , we really dont care what is happening at the cservice end , but now , AS a user/manager should ALSO take care of what is going to happen with ex-manager's Username , and ALSO what kind of changes are allowed to be done by cservice admins and what kind of them are not allowed , Cservice should post such rules on their website.




on 29/2/2012 , the channel was given back to us , I am very thankful to cservice

Love, hope and more,

Team Pakista
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#3
Hello,

A very surprising turn-up of events. I honestly think there must be a confusion in the middle, somewhere, because I am very familiar with #Pakistan`s history, have dealt with the channel, it`s managers and ops quite several times.

I am also very aware of the manager change rules that guide CService, since I have been leading the team that handles them for a period of time and there is no way a person can claim a channel being stolen after several years of the manager change being issued, even IF ... I will repeat ... even IF the channel in question was stolen, which is not the case here.

A lot of people have contacted me about this situation, CService Officials, Malik - the manager of the channel, channel ops ... I said the same thing to each of them, there must be a mistake, first of all the channel was not stolen back then, secondly that`s not the real manager who`s claiming the channel and third, even IF he was the real manager, nobody can claim a channel back after giving it away, after several years.

I have been trying to get in touch with Hodari in regards to this matter, however, I did not catch him online yet. I have also mailed him about it, but no response yet. I imagine something is keeping him busy in real life, cause he would not ignore such a matter. I hope he sorts everything and comes online to sort this situation.

Best regards,
zapp
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zapp

Thanks alot for your logical comments on the issue and identification of correct side of the coin, well response of Cservice has not been that encouraging for the actual Team #Pakistan since the start of the issue , which is indeed painful .

Hodari should have atleast spared few minutes to settle the issue or given his valuable input on it. Or some one else from Cservice should have settled the issue and reverted the channel to old rightful management .

Love, hope and more,
A Proud Team #Pakistan Member
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#5
Patience is a virtue.
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#6
My heartiest congratulations to all for the com back.

#pakistan is back thanks to the untiring and persistent efforts of the team. WB!
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#7
INDEED.... This is a great achievement.
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#8
Very interesting read and very eventful.
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#9
* Jia420 chapairs ranausman, late commer
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#10
Was a crucial time ehh
اپنی خرابیوں کا ہے مختصر فسانہ
اقوال عارفانہ اعمال احمقانہ
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#11
* vincian has joined history class
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#12
nice amazing and attractive talk here thanks for sharing
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#13
I still remember those days!
اپنی خرابیوں کا ہے مختصر فسانہ
اقوال عارفانہ اعمال احمقانہ
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#14
Good Old Days Indeed
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